Talking With Teri with guests Johnny Dzubak and AJ Harbinger

The Art of Charm is where self-motivated guys and gals, just like you, come to learn from a diverse mix of experienced mentors, including the world’s best professional and academic minds, scientists, relationship experts, entrepreneurs, bestselling authors, and other badasses. This show will make you a better networker, better connector, and — most important — a better thinker.

Let’s get to know the founders of The Art of Charm

AJ Harbinger was on the fast track, pursuing his Ph.D. in Cancer Biology at the University of Michigan and working in the high pressure environment of a research lab. He would learn that performing well at your job isn’t always enough as he was passed over for opportunities and even having some of his proudest contributions overlooked. Something was missing.

His desire to figure it out was the inspiration for starting the Art of Charm Podcast over a decade ago. It was an opportunity to talk to world class experts and high achievers and learn how they found success in all areas of their lives. It was the scientist in him – have a problem, study it, and break down what’s going on.

Johnny Dzubak’s first love was rock ‘n roll. Being an international rockstar was always in the cards.

But when the music stopped though, something became abundantly clear to him. The life of a rockstar can sometimes be lonely and would leave him wanting more in his personal life. Connection and deeper relationships.



Stepping away from music, he dedicated himself to learning everything about what makes us tick and how relationships work. That’s when he found his second love, helping others develop meaningful relationships that make life worthwhile.